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What you need to know and say when they say:
“But the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality!”
Compiled and written* by Rev. Stephen Parelli
June, 2012; revised March 2013
This paper was first presented in Kampala, Uganda, in July of 2012, by the author, at two separate
conferences. Copies of the paper were made available to conference attendees.
Topic #6:  The reference in Jude 7 to Sodom and Gomorrah
“going after strange flesh” is perhaps best understand in light of a first century legend

Topic #1:  The
erroneous use of the
word “sodomite(s)” in
the 1611 King James
Bible (KJV; also
known as the AV –
Authorized Version)

Topic #2:  “The
Gen. 19 notorious
story of Sodom and
Gomorrah [is]
irrelevant to the topic”
of homosexuality

Topic #3:   Modern
Bible versions that
use the word
“homosexual(s)” or
“homosexuality” in its
translation of I Cor. 6:
9 and I Tim. 1:10 are
“driven more by
ideological interests
in marginalizing gay
and lesbian people”
than by scholarship

Topic #4:  Romans
1, probably the
passage most often
used to condemn
homosexuals, isn’t
about homosexuality

Topic #5:  Once the
context is
understood, it is clear
that Lev. 18:22 and
20:13  – that a man
should not lie with a
man – is not a
condemnation of

Topic #6:  
The reference in Jude
7 to Sodom and
Gomorrah “going
after strange flesh” is
perhaps best
understand in light of
a first century legend

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In point of fact:  Many conservative Bible schools believe “going after strange flesh” (KJV) in Jude
7 is actually a reference to women who had sex with angels, and has nothing to do with

Talking Points:
  1. Of the 58 biblical references to Sodom, only Jude 7 focuses on what we would call the sexual
    dimension of Genesis 19 [Hanks, PDF].
  2. Similar to the account of angels marrying women in Genesis 6 (which was thought to be the
    final sin that incurred God’s wrath in sending the flood), a first century legend held that
    women in Sodom and the area cities had sex with angels (“strange flesh”) which sin incurred
    God’s wrath in the destruction of Sodom [Miner, p 7].  
  1. Many theologians, including many conservatives, interpret Jude 7 this way:  JND, Kelly
    (Harper and Row); Fred Craddock (Westminster John Knox Press); Richard Bauckham
    (Word Books, Waco); Michael Green (Inter-Varsity Press); CEB, Cranfield (SCM Press,
    London); and Richard Hays (Harper) [Miner, p7, 24].
  1. The sin of Sodom in Jude 7 is viewed not as males violating other males but as mortals
    (women) violating immortals (angels).  Homoeroticism is not the issue in Jude 7.  [Nissinen,

Conclusion:  When we read this verse, Jude 7, having been raised in a culture that despises gays,
it is easy to assume “going after strange flesh” must mean homosexuality [Miner, p7]. But, many
Bible scholars believe Jude’s reference is to mortal women wanting sex with immortal angels
[Nissinen, p93].  Even if the reference were to homoeroticism, it must be remembered that the sin of
Sodom was violence (male rape), inhospitality and social oppression [Goss, p and has nothing to
say in reference to consenting adults who engage in same-sex sex.